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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Disco Dan » Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:55 pm

tommydski wrote:Whisper it but isn't McCormack quite a lot better than Beckford anyway?


Imagine not having to choose between them. Imagine if that was Colin's dilemma? Just imagine!
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby tommydski » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:03 pm

I don't know about that because frankly, one of the only consistent things since we've been down in League One is that there's essentially two Leeds United sides - one with Luciano Becchio which does alright and one without where we look absolutely piss poor for the most part. I can't imagine McCormack or Beckford being content with coming off the bench but you can't really use all three, unless Ross goes out wide.

I liked Beckford but I'm not sure I want him back, I think the pressure would be too much and I don't know what role he'd play in a Warnock side. It seems like keeping McCormack (who is now surely our most skilful player now?) would be a better idea since his already here and was our top goalscorer.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Disco Dan » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:07 pm

tommydski wrote:I don't know about that because frankly, one of the only consistent things since we've been down in League One is that there's essentially two Leeds United sides - one with Luciano Becchio which does alright and one without where we look absolutely piss poor for the most part. I can't imagine McCormack or Beckford being content with coming off the bench but you can't really use all three, unless Ross goes out wide.

I liked Beckford but I'm not sure I want him back, I think the pressure would be too much and I don't know what role he'd play in a Warnock side. It seems like keeping McCormack (who is now surely our most skilful player now?) would be a better idea since his already here and was our top goalscorer.


I was thinking more about the idea than the players themselves. FWIW I probably agree, but I'm prepared to take any sort of madness after the last seven-and-a-half years. :money:
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Oheddieeddie » Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:35 pm

Its fairly plain that Colin Wankerers doesnt rate McCormack for whatever reason. As you will recall he said in an interview last season that McCormack could still have a role, as an impact player coming off the bench changing games.

As Wanker has got some people fooled I will translate what he said about McCormack, just so there's no confusion like. :study:

McCormack can fuck right off, there's no way that cunt will be a part of my plans, so he'd better start looking for a club. :ncool:
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Postby Ontolly » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:03 am

Maybe Ross is a negative influence on the group dynamic?
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Fax Man » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:53 am

Absolutely zero chance of Beckford coming back. Not because he's on £40k a week or would cost a fair whack or he's not good enough... it's simply because he doesn't fit Colin's requirements for a striker in his preferred 4231 formation.

Basically, that '1' up front has to work his bollocks off, "win every header" (as he said with Becchio) and scoring isn't actually that important. Beckford is pretty much the total opposite of that.

Look at the strikers when QPR got promoted: Helguson (32 starts, 1 sub; 13 goals), Hulse (13 starts, 9 sub; 2 goals), Agyemang (0 starts, 19 sub; 2 goals), Ishmael Miller (4 starts, 8 sub; 1 goal). 18 goals between them all season.

The vast majority of goals came from creative, attacking wide players and the attacking central midfielder... Taarabt (19), Mackie (9), Smith (6), Routledge (5).

For us, that's going to be the key area... Snoddy, McCormack, Varney?, White (although I still don't see him as a winger) and whoever else Colin has up his sleeve.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Phil LUFC » Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:08 am

Looks like the Rodolph Austin deal is pretty much done - as much as I like a policy of keeping things quiet until they're done, there's something good about a public chase throughout the negotiation period, gives the illusion that more is happening.

Will we sign anyone this summer without our interest being public knowledge weeks beforehand?
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby welshwhite » Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:48 am

Fax Man wrote:Absolutely zero chance of Beckford coming back. Not because he's on £40k a week or would cost a fair whack or he's not good enough... it's simply because he doesn't fit Colin's requirements for a striker in his preferred 4231 formation.

Basically, that '1' up front has to work his bollocks off, "win every header" (as he said with Becchio) and scoring isn't actually that important. Beckford is pretty much the total opposite of that.

Look at the strikers when QPR got promoted: Helguson (32 starts, 1 sub; 13 goals), Hulse (13 starts, 9 sub; 2 goals), Agyemang (0 starts, 19 sub; 2 goals), Ishmael Miller (4 starts, 8 sub; 1 goal). 18 goals between them all season.

The vast majority of goals came from creative, attacking wide players and the attacking central midfielder... Taarabt (19), Mackie (9), Smith (6), Routledge (5).

For us, that's going to be the key area... Snoddy, McCormack, Varney?, White (although I still don't see him as a winger) and whoever else Colin has up his sleeve.


i know fuck all about QPR, are you saying Colin will play route one/hoofball to get us out of the championship - if that's what it takes then so be it, as far as i'm concerned results mean more than style.

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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Phil LUFC » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:01 am

welshwhite wrote:
Fax Man wrote:Absolutely zero chance of Beckford coming back. Not because he's on £40k a week or would cost a fair whack or he's not good enough... it's simply because he doesn't fit Colin's requirements for a striker in his preferred 4231 formation.

Basically, that '1' up front has to work his bollocks off, "win every header" (as he said with Becchio) and scoring isn't actually that important. Beckford is pretty much the total opposite of that.

Look at the strikers when QPR got promoted: Helguson (32 starts, 1 sub; 13 goals), Hulse (13 starts, 9 sub; 2 goals), Agyemang (0 starts, 19 sub; 2 goals), Ishmael Miller (4 starts, 8 sub; 1 goal). 18 goals between them all season.

The vast majority of goals came from creative, attacking wide players and the attacking central midfielder... Taarabt (19), Mackie (9), Smith (6), Routledge (5).

For us, that's going to be the key area... Snoddy, McCormack, Varney?, White (although I still don't see him as a winger) and whoever else Colin has up his sleeve.


i know fuck all about QPR, are you saying Colin will play route one/hoofball to get us out of the championship - if that's what it takes then so be it.

I think what he's saying is that rather than being crossed to, Becchio will be used to hold up the ball and bring White into play, who better score the goals because Snoddy and McCormack won't be here and we've not yet signed anyone else? Not necessarily via a hoofball approach but certainly in a "direct" manner.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby welshwhite » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:25 am

well Phil direct will do for me as long as we get the results, sadly Larrys teams never won enough of the important games against the sides just below and above us - those six-pointers are so important to going up,

lets see what Colin can do in the big games....
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby gazurtoids » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:25 am

Disco Dan wrote:
gazurtoids wrote:
Come on, there's been more than whispers for blummin' ages!


True. True. I'm just referring to the talk on Waccoe tonight. Seems like it may have legs.


Is that beer still chilling in the fridge? :wink:
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby gazurtoids » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:28 am

Phil LUFC wrote:I think what he's saying is that rather than being crossed to, Becchio will be used to hold up the ball and bring White into play, who better score the goals because Snoddy and McCormack won't be here and we've not yet signed anyone else? Not necessarily via a hoofball approach but certainly in a "direct" manner.


Aye, that sounds about right to me. It"ll be interesting to see if Warnock can get Becchio to buy into it.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Phil LUFC » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:42 am

welshwhite wrote:well Phil direct will do for me as long as we get the results, sadly Larrys teams never won enough of the important games against the sides just below and above us - those six-pointers are so important to going up,

lets see what Colin can do in the big games....


I'm not knocking it, quite like direct personally, so long as direct means attacking with intent and not hoofing it at the big man, hoping something happens.

My biggest concern is around us having a half decent team/squad and them gelling quickly.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby welshwhite » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:49 am

Phil LUFC wrote:
welshwhite wrote:well Phil direct will do for me as long as we get the results, sadly Larrys teams never won enough of the important games against the sides just below and above us - those six-pointers are so important to going up,

lets see what Colin can do in the big games....


I'm not knocking it, quite like direct personally, so long as direct means attacking with intent and not hoofing it at the big man, hoping something happens.

My biggest concern is around us having a half decent team/squad and them gelling quickly.


aye we are far from ready that's for sure, if we lose ross and snodds then the tools in our midfield cupboard look very blunt at the moment.
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Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Disco Dan » Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:07 am

gazurtoids wrote:
Is that beer still chilling in the fridge? :wink:


It never left. Ice cold.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby OWETB » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:05 pm

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Don't know who player is but it's not Austin - Warnock says he's positive a deal will be done there but could take 7 days due to work permit
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You can hear from Neil Warnock this afternoon on @yorkshireradio - says 2 signings v.close, one player having medical at Thorp Arch today.
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Postby tommydski » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:24 pm

The player having a medical is probably Varney. Didn't travel with Pompey for obvious reasons.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby AndyPaul » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:47 pm

tommydski wrote:The player having a medical is probably Varney. Didn't travel with Pompey for obvious reasons.


Dave Kitson is still at Pompey, would rather have him than Varney.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby Phil LUFC » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:52 pm

AndyPaul wrote:
tommydski wrote:The player having a medical is probably Varney. Didn't travel with Pompey for obvious reasons.


Dave Kitson is still at Pompey, would rather have him than Varney.


I think I'd also be reasonably interested in us signing Eric Husseklepp, he's apparently Brann bound for the money we're giving them for Austin.
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Re: Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

Postby ChairmanMeaow » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:17 pm

Twitter appears to be of the opinion we're in for Greg Halford? @GregHalford15 says there'll be something announced to the press soon.

Thoughts? The wanker who drew this to my attention also spend the whole of Friday going bonkers about Harry Kewell though so more than likely bullshit.
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