OT Music Festivals etc. etc.

[the flying pig]

Not a ‘festival’ point specifically but worth [to me at least] noting that last week marked the 20th anniversary of Nirvana releasing ‘Nevermind’.

Although slightly overrated & not without its flaws, being badly overproduced for a record in its genre, fairly weak lyrically [too much teenage angst & choruses featuring the word ‘yeah’], and probably not really relevant to supposedly ushering out poodle rock or whatever the cliche is [in any case not really a relevant argument for the UK since the turn of the 80s/90s was a great period for british bands] it still sounded great and was really significant in, I dunno, I suppose getting people from a wide range of walks life interested in semi-decent music.

[FER]

Not a ‘festival’ point specifically but worth [to me at least] noting that last week marked the 20th anniversary of Nirvana releasing ‘Nevermind’.

Although slightly overrated & not without its flaws, being badly overproduced for a record in its genre, fairly weak lyrically [too much teenage angst & choruses featuring the word ‘yeah’], and probably not really relevant to supposedly ushering out poodle rock or whatever [in any case not really a relevant argument for the UK since the turn of the 80s/90s was a great period for british bands] it still sounded great and was really significant in, I dunno, I suppose getting people from a wide range of walks life interested in semi-decent music.

Yes indeed. I swapped (I was still young ffs!) a single of The Days Of Pearly Spencer for Nevermind with a chum who was not at all grunge/rock minded. Best bit of business I ever did at such an age.

[the flying pig]

Not a ‘festival’ point specifically but worth [to me at least] noting that last week marked the 20th anniversary of Nirvana releasing ‘Nevermind’.

Although slightly overrated & not without its flaws, being badly overproduced for a record in its genre, fairly weak lyrically [too much teenage angst & choruses featuring the word ‘yeah’], and probably not really relevant to supposedly ushering out poodle rock or whatever [in any case not really a relevant argument for the UK since the turn of the 80s/90s was a great period for british bands] it still sounded great and was really significant in, I dunno, I suppose getting people from a wide range of walks life interested in semi-decent music.

Yes indeed. I swapped (I was still young ffs!) a single of The Days Of Pearly Spencer for Nevermind with a chum who was not at all grunge/rock minded. Best bit of business I ever did at such an age.

kids always do stupid swops. i dimly recall at around that time trading a quite good album i owned [maybe James?] and a quite good cassette single [maybe something by the 'Mondays?] for a prince [who i didn't even like] album and a prince single that actually appeared on the same album.

another important thing about Nirvana without them we'd almost certainly never have seen gary speed's longish flowing locks, little aspects of that whole look filtered through massively into the mainest of mainstreams.

[SimonB]

Not a ‘festival’ point specifically but worth [to me at least] noting that last week marked the 20th anniversary of Nirvana releasing ‘Nevermind’.

Although slightly overrated & not without its flaws, being badly overproduced for a record in its genre, fairly weak lyrically [too much teenage angst & choruses featuring the word ‘yeah’], and probably not really relevant to supposedly ushering out poodle rock or whatever the cliche is [in any case not really a relevant argument for the UK since the turn of the 80s/90s was a great period for british bands] it still sounded great and was really significant in, I dunno, I suppose getting people from a wide range of walks life interested in semi-decent music.

Fantastic album still listen to it regulary as well as in utero come to that. Really disappointed that I never saw them live

[Ponte]

another important thing about Nirvana

Would Dave Grohl have formed the Foos if he hadn't been involved with Nirvana?

[eric olthwaite]

Although slightly overrated & not without its flaws, being badly overproduced for a record in its genre, fairly weak lyrically [too much teenage angst & choruses featuring the word ‘yeah’], and probably not really relevant to supposedly ushering out poodle rock or whatever the cliche is [in any case not really a relevant argument for the UK since the turn of the 80s/90s was a great period for british bands] it still sounded great and was really significant in, I dunno, I suppose getting people from a wide range of walks life interested in semi-decent music.

You have, sir, a fairly unique gift for unenthusiastic qualified enthusiasm.

[dublin white 69]

Not a ‘festival’ point specifically but worth [to me at least] noting that last week marked the 20th anniversary of Nirvana releasing ‘Nevermind’.

Although slightly overrated & not without its flaws, being badly overproduced for a record in its genre, fairly weak lyrically [too much teenage angst & choruses featuring the word ‘yeah’], and probably not really relevant to supposedly ushering out poodle rock or whatever the cliche is [in any case not really a relevant argument for the UK since the turn of the 80s/90s was a great period for british bands] it still sounded great and was really significant in, I dunno, I suppose getting people from a wide range of walks life interested in semi-decent music.

Always thought they were pretty much wank overall,never really got them,though they did have moments of greatness,the MTV unplugged being their finest moment..(tin hat on)

[the flying pig]

Although slightly overrated & not without its flaws, being badly overproduced for a record in its genre, fairly weak lyrically [too much teenage angst & choruses featuring the word ‘yeah’], and probably not really relevant to supposedly ushering out poodle rock or whatever the cliche is [in any case not really a relevant argument for the UK since the turn of the 80s/90s was a great period for british bands] it still sounded great and was really significant in, I dunno, I suppose getting people from a wide range of walks life interested in semi-decent music.

You have, sir, a fairly unique gift for unenthusiastic qualified enthusiasm.

er, thanks.

i forgot to mention - that thing where they played all slow/quiet & then unexpectedly rawked out, it was really great but should really have been restricted to one or at most two tracks [i think that's a general nirvana pt rather than a nevermind specific one].

[Man Called Sun]

another important thing about Nirvana

Would Dave Grohl have formed the Foos if he hadn't been involved with Nirvana?

I remember clearly when I was at school, my mate enraged me by saying he was glad Cobain had killed himself, cos otherwise Grohl would never have started the Foo Fighters. He has a gift for these things, but I just cannot see the comparison, Foo Fighters are just some shit pop band.

I should say that this was many years after the event mind.

[the flying pig]

another important thing about Nirvana

Would Dave Grohl have formed the Foos if he hadn't been involved with Nirvana?

I remember clearly when I was at school, my mate enraged me by saying he was glad Cobain had killed himself, cos otherwise Grohl would never have started the Foo Fighters. He has a gift for these things, but I just cannot see the comparison, Foo Fighters are just some shit pop band.

I should say that this was many years after the event mind.

as a soppy teenager i was incredibly sniffy about their early stuff ['how dare kurt's drummer start a new band playing this ghastly straightforward, non-alternative, blue-collar, shite?'] but [bizarre {to me} that they're still going 17 yrs later] these days i have to take my hat off to grohl as plainly a good bloke who does some ok stuff if you don't expect too much.

[eric olthwaite]

i forgot to mention - that thing where they played all slow/quiet & then unexpectedly rawked out, it was really great but should really have been restricted to one or at most two tracks [i think that's a general nirvana pt rather than a nevermind specific one].

Changed the entire course of popular music that, to be fair. The whole idea about the drop at the start of each verse has had a massive, largely unacknowledged, impact on hundreds of indie guitar bands since.

[eric olthwaite]

fairly weak lyrically [too much teenage angst & choruses featuring the word ‘yeah’]

Can I also note, in relation to the above, that I'm sure you exhibited some enthusiasm for G'N'R at some point. I mean, they're not exactly Robert Wyatt lyrically, now are they?

[the flying pig]

fairly weak lyrically [too much teenage angst & choruses featuring the word ‘yeah’]

Can I also note, in relation to the above, that I'm sure you exhibited some enthusiasm for G'N'R at some point. I mean, they're not exactly Robert Wyatt lyrically, now are they?

well. i suppose i brought it up because a little bit of the hype around nevermind perhaps implies that it's a bit 'clever' in some way. GnR's lyrics were obviously risible & didn't pretend otherwise but it still sounded superb.

i think i do like quite like decent lyrics in general. a bit of, er, sean ryder, alex turner, dylan [sorry], moz [ditto], eminem, etc.

[FER]

GnR's lyrics were obviously risible & didn't pretend otherwise

Now, I really have to ask you to explain yourself on that one, my good sir.

[the flying pig]

GnR's lyrics were obviously risible & didn't pretend otherwise

Now, I really have to ask you to explain yourself on that one, my good sir.

take yer pick http://www.songmeanings.net/artist/view/songs/479/

[FER]

GnR's lyrics were obviously risible & didn't pretend otherwise

Now, I really have to ask you to explain yourself on that one, my good sir.

take yer pick http://www.songmeanings.net/artist/view/songs/479/

Well, after clicking a couple of links and seeing people saying how great the songs were, that didn't really help answer the question. nor back up your original statement.

[eric olthwaite]

Well, after clicking a couple of links and seeing people saying how great the songs were, that didn't really help answer the question. nor back up your original statement.

Yeah!
Attitude
Some fuckin' attitude
I can't believe what you say to me
You've got some attitude

Inside that bitter brain
There's gotta be a whore
If you don't shut your mouth
You're gonna feel the floor, yeah!

Attitude, what you've got
Some fuckin' attitude
Attitude's what you've got
Some fuckin' attitude
Yeah, all right

Very difficult to comprehend quite how he's missed out on the poet laureate gig, I'll grant you.

[the flying pig]

Well, after clicking a couple of links and seeing people saying how great the songs were, that didn't really help answer the question. nor back up your original statement.

Yeah!
Attitude
Some fuckin' attitude
I can't believe what you say to me
You've got some attitude

Inside that bitter brain
There's gotta be a whore
If you don't shut your mouth
You're gonna feel the floor, yeah!

Attitude, what you've got
Some fuckin' attitude
Attitude's what you've got
Some fuckin' attitude
Yeah, all right

Very difficult to comprehend quite how he's missed out on the poet laureate gig, I'll grant you.

indeed.

i mean, it's easily possible for great songs not to have great lyrics. just think of, oh, rock and roll part 2, for example.

[eric olthwaite]

GnR's lyrics were obviously risible & didn't pretend otherwise

Now, I really have to ask you to explain yourself on that one, my good sir.

Arguably, I suppose, it might be considered a contentious statement, in that 'ol Axl almost certainly believes that he is a very profound lyricist indeed.

[Man Called Sun]

i mean, it's easily possible for great songs not to have great lyrics. just think of, oh, rock and roll part 2, for example.

House of!
Jealous lovers!
One hand!
Touch the other!