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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby eric olthwaite » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:28 am

Blackwhite wrote:As an amusing aside, Jeff Bezos was at this year's Bilderberg. No doubt discussing how he can use his wealth to improve the evolution of free humans and their thoughts. :roll:


Some time ago I dropped Amazon (yeah, fuck you, SqB!) since I'm no fan of Bezos' business practices, and transferred my allegiance to the Book Depository; it's UK-based and often cheaper than Amazon anyway.

And then, last time I looked, I saw the cunts had been bought out by Amazon. There's really no way of getting away from the oily turd. :roll:
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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby FER » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:56 am

Blackwhite wrote:As there are some Stephen King fans in here, thought they might want to know he's writing a sequel to The Shining in which the kid, grown up and still psychic, meets up with a bunch of psychic vampires.

Sounds fucking great. George Lucas syndrome crossed with blatant bandwagon jumping and a dash of ruining what made it scary in the first place? You got it.


Hmm. Well you obviously didn't get that information from His Official Website which doesn't mention such trash.
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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby gazurtoids » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:58 am

FER wrote:
Blackwhite wrote:As there are some Stephen King fans in here, thought they might want to know he's writing a sequel to The Shining in which the kid, grown up and still psychic, meets up with a bunch of psychic vampires.

Sounds fucking great. George Lucas syndrome crossed with blatant bandwagon jumping and a dash of ruining what made it scary in the first place? You got it.


Hmm. Well you obviously didn't get that information from His Official Website which doesn't mention such trash.


Word of such trash came From The Horse's Mouth.
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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby FER » Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:05 pm

gazurtoids wrote:
FER wrote:
Blackwhite wrote:As there are some Stephen King fans in here, thought they might want to know he's writing a sequel to The Shining in which the kid, grown up and still psychic, meets up with a bunch of psychic vampires.

Sounds fucking great. George Lucas syndrome crossed with blatant bandwagon jumping and a dash of ruining what made it scary in the first place? You got it.


Hmm. Well you obviously didn't get that information from His Official Website which doesn't mention such trash.


Word of such trash came From The Horse's Mouth.


Excellent. I have not problem in being proven wrong by fact. :salute:
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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby Eddies Boots » Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:50 am

Blackwhite wrote:Eddie's seems to have missed the point re: DRM and ebooks. Living too long in the US will do that to your mind.



Hadn't exactly missed the point. But corprations have been able to impose DRM just about anywhere they choose because they are the ones generating the new equipment and formats. If you want to live with the status quo then don't change what you do. It is an available option, no? I for one do not understand the need for t'internet in my pocket, or to pay the astonishing phone bills that go with it.

And loaning books doesn't happen in my house. They all go to charity... because we don't want to store them. So the e-reader cuts down on storage space and I no longer have to cart boxes of books to the thrift store.
If you are desperate to share the amazing things that you have discovered in a book, then don't get e-books, or loan out your e-reader. Unreasonable you say, I won't loan out a $100 gizmo when I should only have to loan out a $10 book... then don't get e-books.

I actually think this thread is a good long-distance equivalent. It would be unreasonable to expect to mail a book that you have recommended - you expect someone can pick it up 2nd hand locally, right?

Not that living in the US for 20+ years won't do things to one's mind, mind.
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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby Blackwhite » Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:17 am

Take your point Eddie's...
The problem is I'm (annoyingly) wanting to have my cake and eat it. Why should the advance of medium be associated with degradation of utility?
In actual fact, the first ebook formats (epub, got loads of'em) were and remain DRM-free. Shareable. We could discuss e.g. Crime and Punishment at length here, then I can send you the whole thing in an email and you can read it on your device of interest free. This, for me, is the status quo once the technology is available. Got no problem with that at all.

However what Jobs/Bezos et al then do is say "wait a sec, we're missing a trick here" and design their (usually loss-leading) gizmo to either prevent this or funnel the bulk of content through their storefronts. And everything you buy then comes with DRM, even if you could get it in a free format (by which I don't mean unpaid, just DRM-free).

Your thrift store analogy makes an interesting point though (and is where the US mindset emerges :wink: ) - it's sad that ebooks will deprive someone of the right to read those books for less than you paid, and that this will not make any money for good causes. And as for libraries, what do you think this issue will do to them, if we let this pass? :scratch: :elephant:

It's a matter of personal choice I think. For me, the more these companies gouge, the more I :pirate:
I can't play that cd in the car because you are worried about people pirating the album? Fuck you. Give me my money back.

The mantra "I own it so I will use it however the fuck I want" should be uppermost, and Amazon do not subscribe so they are out (other reasons too, like the outrageous trick underlying the new Fire: if you buy one, they fucking own you, literally. Makes Google look unintrusive).
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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby Ontolly » Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:00 pm

eric olthwaite wrote:Slight tangent, but I hold Vasily Grossman's Life and Fate to be one of the greatest books ever written. It's basically a multi-storied thing about an extended family which revolves around Stalingrad and persecution of the Jews by both Hitler and Stalin.

Anyway, Radio 4 have just serialised a number of parts of it and it's currently available as a podcast series. Fantastic cast - Branagh, Tennent, John Sessions (as Eichmann) and Greta Scacchi and I've got to say, it's brilliant. Get it listened to.

Just finished listening to this. My limited attention span meant that I didn't follow the plot of all of the characters but still thought it very good and might listen to it again or get the book. :thumbl:
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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby eric olthwaite » Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:40 am

Netherland, Joseph O'Neill.

Quite good.
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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby Mustafaster » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:56 pm

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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby burnleyinexile » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:19 pm

Finally finished Churchills 'Second World War'. Excellent read for history buffs. Started out, many moons ago, thinking he was a top bloke. Then read a few things that suggested he had a level of cuntishness about him. Now I've read this 6 book volume, I think he was a man ahead of his time. The foresight he had, and his quoted texts are all available at PRO or in Hansard, is amazing. If he had been PM from about 1930, the world may well be a totally different place today.
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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby gazurtoids » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:33 pm

Including the bit where he called for a 'United States of Europe'? ;)
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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby The Tin Man » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:55 pm

Mustafaster wrote:Ful of the Moon Ful of the Moon,
Ful of the Moon nor dont look back
Folleree Folleroo on your track
Oo hoo hoo Yoop yaroo
Folleree Folleroo follering you
If they catch you in the darga,
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I read Ridley Walker on your recommendation and gave it to many more. A stupendous evocative and visionary story that pisses all over "The Road" which is nevertheless a great book too. I can't believe that anything else Russel Hoban wrote comes close but that doesn't really matter as anyone else would be content to produce a single classic like Ridley in their lifetime.

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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby Mustafaster » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:22 pm

The Tin Man wrote:
Mustafaster wrote:Ful of the Moon Ful of the Moon,
Ful of the Moon nor dont look back
Folleree Folleroo on your track
Oo hoo hoo Yoop yaroo
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If they catch you in the darga,
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I read Ridley Walker on your recommendation and gave it to many more. A stupendous evocative and visionary story that pisses all over "The Road" which is nevertheless a great book too. I can't believe that anything else Russel Hoban wrote comes close but that doesn't really matter as anyone else would be content to produce a single classic like Ridley in their lifetime.

R.I.P

I've read all his adult stuff and he's a one-off. Nobody else like him really.
But RW is by some distance his best, in an interview he said that soemthing took hold of him and wouldn't let him go until it was finished, and I can believe that.

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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby Blackwhite » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:29 pm

Alright, fuck it, I give in, I'll read the fucker.





Just don't ask me to pay for it... unless it's as good as you say.
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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby The Tin Man » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:33 pm

Musta , what's his next best ???
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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby burnleyinexile » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:35 pm

gazurtoids wrote:Including the bit where he called for a 'United States of Europe'? ;)


:mrgreen: Was wondering if that little titbit would pop up. Yes, even that bit (the bit he was wrong about) :wink:
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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby Mustafaster » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:38 pm

The Tin Man wrote:Musta , what's his next best ???

All the rest are of a similar very high standard.
Pilgermann, The Lion of Boaz Jachin, Fremder .... all very fine books, but don't expect another RW, that kind of thing only happens once.
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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby Mustafaster » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:52 pm

Blackwhite wrote:Alright, fuck it, I give in, I'll read the fucker.





Just don't ask me to pay for it... unless it's as good as you say.

It isn't to everybody's taste, I freely admit. The language is very difficult and the story works on about 10 different levels. A lot of people either give up or simply don't get it. I've read it God knows how many times and I still find summat new every time. It was on about the 5th reading I suddenly realised the importance of the dogs ffs.
Stay with it, it's quite short for such a monumental achievement. When you get to the end a strange feeling of wonder comes over you.
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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby gazurtoids » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:20 pm

burnleyinexile wrote:
gazurtoids wrote:Including the bit where he called for a 'United States of Europe'? ;)


:mrgreen: Was wondering if that little titbit would pop up. Yes, even that bit (the bit he was wrong about) :wink:


Yeah, I seem to recall being told/reading he was against a federalist Europe though, so he's probably still alright by you to be fair!
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Re: O/T Book review thread.

Postby burnleyinexile » Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:38 pm

gazurtoids wrote:
burnleyinexile wrote:
gazurtoids wrote:Including the bit where he called for a 'United States of Europe'? ;)


:mrgreen: Was wondering if that little titbit would pop up. Yes, even that bit (the bit he was wrong about) :wink:


Yeah, I seem to recall being told/reading he was against a federalist Europe though, so he's probably still alright by you to be fair!


To be fair, I do recall it in the last volume (?) but cannot recall which way he was leaning. May have to have a flick through it again.
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