EUROSCEPTICS

[Leeds0269]

Brits living in Europe discussing ....errr.... Britain's place in Europe.
I can see how you might reckon it's ironic.
Cunt.

I'll explain in simple terms; this thread is about Britain's role in europe and the effects on Britain. As an expat, it doesnt affect you anywhere near as much as someone who actually lives here still.

It's ironic that the people most interested and making most comments on this subject are the ones that dont live here anymore and arent effected anywhere near as much. I.e. The Brits who live here dont seem that arsed. Hence, it's ironic.

Got that you fucking thick cunt?

[Ontolly]

The ironic thing is that it's Americans who - I can't be fucking bothered

[jackos]

Brits living in Europe discussing ....errr.... Britain's place in Europe.
I can see how you might reckon it's ironic.
Cunt.

I'll explain in simple terms; this thread is about Britain's role in europe and the effects on Britain. As an expat, it doesnt affect you anywhere near as much as someone who actually lives here still.

It's ironic that the people most interested and making most comments on this subject are the ones that dont live here anymore and arent effected anywhere near as much. I.e. The Brits who live here dont seem that arsed. Hence, it's ironic.

Got that you fucking thick cunt?

May I suggest you find yrself a bog role n have a wank? Silly cunt.

[Mustafaster]

I have the answer to the Euro crisis.
Just got an email from Wonga telling me how I can wipe out 70% of my debt!
Gonna forward it to Merkozy.
Sorted!

[AndyPaul]

I really haven't got a clue about anything anyone is saying on his thread.

I guess the summary is we are fucked? Yes? Whatever happens?

[burnleyinexile]

As my rather hazy memories of the referendum go, I recall that the EC was about trade...end of. No mention of the Euro, one Army, one Police, a court that over-ruled sovereign courts, and a distant government that seems a million miles away from those it purports to represent, and makes Parliament look like a bastion of virtue and self restraint. It costs us billions every year, yet we seem to get little in return. As for giving us a market, surely if they want/need our goods they will still buy them, regardless of our being in the club or not?

Be interesting to see what happens now, since cameron has pissed off the French, what happens to the defence pact he signed with them last year. They are a petulant self serving grudge bearing set of onion wearing wine drinking tits who are sullen and sulky at the best of times. How are they going to react when, after the argies supported by the yanks, invade the Falklands and we ask if we can borrow their aircraft carrier (Mr Cameron, that is a warship that carries military aircraft). They'll tell us it's broken or something.

What would be the impact if we pulled out of the EC/EU/Common Market?

[jackos]

I guess the summary is we are fucked? Yes? Whatever happens?

I don't think so, its like pig flu, bird flu, or whatever the fuck flu, papers get hysterical, but it makes no fucking difference at all to the majority of us. We get on with our lives, so what if y can't afford a new car this year, the majority of us will still be able to put food on our kids plates. We had next to fuck all when I grew up, got food parcels from the church at Xmas, Mum ( God bless her ) managed. That's what people do, they cope.

Fuck the politicians, the banks, the press, fuck hm all. Let them play their games.

[jackos]

What would be the impact if we pulled out of the EC/EU/Common Market?

Well loads of shit I suppose, a couple of hundred thousand Brits being fucked off back to the UK after their work permits expired I guess. N a rather large exodus of companies moving production to counties in the inner market.

Hopefully it wont mean Georgette Hill gets to #1 though,

[WHITETHROUGH]

Do I think Cameron will deliver much......nope not really because he is a spineless fucker, though I would love him to prove me wrong?

I have woke up this morning to find Cameron has fallen out with the French and used his 'veto' to block an agreement with the 'twenty seven' ......... I did not think he would do that, I am quite frankly shocked. I am not sure what the future is for the Euro or what Europe will morph in to, but I don't see our future being a member of the EU.

[Dale White]

With Cameron you always have to suspect he puts himsen first and everything else second. i agree we should never be in the euro but it doesn't do any good to piss them off either, especially when so many jobs are locked in to trade with europe.

[jackos]

I have woke up this morning to find Cameron has fallen out with the French and used his 'veto' to block an agreement with the 'twenty seven' ......... I did not think he would do that, I am quite frankly shocked. I am not sure what the future is for the Euro or what Europe will morph in to, but I don't see our future being a member of the EU.

Cameron n Pál Schmitt What a pair, he's in good company there! I wouldn't be surprised if Sweden joins that duo, the right wing government here don't have a majority so they'll probably struggle to force the deal through, especially when the socialists are struggling with poor ratings, there's plenty of points to be won by EU bashing.

Can the UK can realistically leave the single market though? Countries all over the Globe are forming these clubs, what would The UK gain by isolating itself? It would be a populist move made for short term political points wouldn't it? It'd most certainly lead to the break up of the UK, why would the Scots stay in the UK? Better they leave England to it in join the EU surely? I really don't understand the arguments for leaving completely. France and Germany are going to do their thing, and they'll take most of their EURO mates with them, they really have very little choice. Sweden definitely isn't going to even consider joining the Euro this decade, I suppose the same goes for all the countries who stayed out at the start, but I don't think there's a likelihood of any Countries leaving the EU completely.

[eric olthwaite]

Can the UK can realistically leave the single market though?

As I understand it, it'd be plausible to leave the EU without leaving the single market - ie this. The Merkozy wouldn't like it, I'm sure, and it may not benefit the existing EFTA members to suddenly have a vast economy join them, but it's got to be worth considering.

[Dale White]

Cameron, i say old bean we're having a spot of bother with the Argies again can we borrow your carrier, Sarkozy, get fucked posh boy.

[stugats]

As my rather hazy memories of the referendum go, I recall that the EC was about trade...end of. No mention of the Euro, one Army, one Police, a court that over-ruled sovereign courts, and a distant government that seems a million miles away from those it purports to represent, and makes Parliament look like a bastion of virtue and self restraint. It costs us billions every year, yet we seem to get little in return. As for giving us a market, surely if they want/need our goods they will still buy them, regardless of our being in the club or not?

Be interesting to see what happens now, since cameron has pissed off the French, what happens to the defence pact he signed with them last year. They are a petulant self serving grudge bearing set of onion wearing wine drinking tits who are sullen and sulky at the best of times. How are they going to react when, after the argies supported by the yanks, invade the Falklands and we ask if we can borrow their aircraft carrier (Mr Cameron, that is a warship that carries military aircraft). They'll tell us it's broken or something.




What would be the impact if we pulled out of the EC/EU/Common Market?

why don't you say what you really mean burnley

[burnleyinexile]

As my rather hazy memories of the referendum go, I recall that the EC was about trade...end of. No mention of the Euro, one Army, one Police, a court that over-ruled sovereign courts, and a distant government that seems a million miles away from those it purports to represent, and makes Parliament look like a bastion of virtue and self restraint. It costs us billions every year, yet we seem to get little in return. As for giving us a market, surely if they want/need our goods they will still buy them, regardless of our being in the club or not?

Be interesting to see what happens now, since cameron has pissed off the French, what happens to the defence pact he signed with them last year. They are a petulant self serving grudge bearing set of onion wearing wine drinking tits who are sullen and sulky at the best of times. How are they going to react when, after the argies supported by the yanks, invade the Falklands and we ask if we can borrow their aircraft carrier (Mr Cameron, that is a warship that carries military aircraft). They'll tell us it's broken or something.




What would be the impact if we pulled out of the EC/EU/Common Market?

why don't you say what you really mean burnley

Cos I'm shy and retiring, I thought you'd know that by now.

[Rob]

Having lived in Brussels for six years, I have seen at first hand the quite unbelievable waste and fiddling that goes on. It's not a right wing UK media myth. This, in addition to the European political institutions being a dumping ground for failed national politicians, puts me firmly in the Eurosceptic camp. With the seemingly never ending committees, nowt will ever get done.

Yes, by all means let us be part of a Eurpean free trade area but that's it. The world has now changed dramatically even over the past ten years and we interact so much more with countries all around the world I can't see it's in our best interests to be ever more closely locked into a grossly inefficient European political and fiscal system.

The Euro may well become a two tier system with the Latinate countries getting the boot.

[Son of Leeds]

From The Economist:

The 23 members of the new pact, if they act as a block, can outvote Britain. They are divided among themselves, of course. But their habit of working together and cutting deals will, inevitably, begin to weigh against Britain over time.

Britain may assume it will benefit from extra business for the City, should the euro zone ever pass a financial-transaction tax. But what if the new club starts imposing financial regulations among the 17 euro-zone members, or the 23 members of the euro-plus pact? That could begin to force euro-denominated transactions into the euro zone, say Paris or Frankfurt. Britain would, surely, have had more influence had the countries of the euro zone remained under an EU-wide system.

It says much about the dire state of the debate on Europe within Britain's Conservative party that, as Mr Cameron set out to Brussels, another Tory MP portentously invoked the memory of Neville Chamberlain, who infamously came back from Munich with empty assurances from Adolf Hitler. Mr Cameron may have made a grievous mistake with regard to Britain's long-term interest. But at least nobody can accuse him of returning from Brussels with a piece of paper in his hand.

Doesn't look that good for Britain at the moment. I live partly in the UK and partly in France - when I can get my onion suit on - and my impression has always been that in general, and in the Conservative Party in particular, discussion about Europe in this country has been more emotional than thoughtful.

I reckon it's back to McCormack and Keogh tomorrow, with Pugh and Clayton in centre mid', Snodgrass left and Sam on the right. We seem to have run out of centre midfielders just when 4-5-1 looked the ticket. Any chance of Snods, Pugh and Clayton in a midfield three with Lucy joining the other two strikers?

Any chance for

[Man Called Sun]

Doesn't look that good for Britain at the moment. I live partly in the UK and partly in France - when I can get my onion suit on - and my impression has always been that in general, and in the Conservative Party in particular, discussion about Europe in this country has been more emotional than thoughtful.

I reckon it's back to McCormack and Keogh tomorrow, with Pugh and Clayton in centre mid', Snodgrass left and Sam on the right. We seem to have run out of centre midfielders just when 4-5-1 looked the ticket. Any chance of Snods, Pugh and Clayton in a midfield three with Lucy joining the other two strikers?

Any chance for

I'm assuming this mid-sentence cut off is an homage to the ending of The Dice Man?

[Mustafaster]

From The Economist:

The 23 members of the new pact, if they act as a block, can outvote Britain. They are divided among themselves, of course. But their habit of working together and cutting deals will, inevitably, begin to weigh against Britain over time.

Britain may assume it will benefit from extra business for the City, should the euro zone ever pass a financial-transaction tax. But what if the new club starts imposing financial regulations among the 17 euro-zone members, or the 23 members of the euro-plus pact? That could begin to force euro-denominated transactions into the euro zone, say Paris or Frankfurt. Britain would, surely, have had more influence had the countries of the euro zone remained under an EU-wide system.

It says much about the dire state of the debate on Europe within Britain's Conservative party that, as Mr Cameron set out to Brussels, another Tory MP portentously invoked the memory of Neville Chamberlain, who infamously came back from Munich with empty assurances from Adolf Hitler. Mr Cameron may have made a grievous mistake with regard to Britain's long-term interest. But at least nobody can accuse him of returning from Brussels with a piece of paper in his hand.

Doesn't look that good for Britain at the moment. I live partly in the UK and partly in France - when I can get my onion suit on - and my impression has always been that in general, and in the Conservative Party in particular, discussion about Europe in this country has been more emotional than thoughtful.

I reckon it's back to McCormack and Keogh tomorrow, with Pugh and Clayton in centre mid', Snodgrass left and Sam on the right. We seem to have run out of centre midfielders just when 4-5-1 looked the ticket. Any chance of Snods, Pugh and Clayton in a midfield three with Lucy joining the other two strikers?

Any chance for

Aye. Cameron has gone in to bat for the Canary Wharf, not for Britain.
The only reasons for using the veto were to keep his old school chums in the City happy and to appease the Little Englanders in his own party.
Neither will work imo.
Europe is mightily, but mightily pissed off at the UK right now, and it's never a good idea to piss your neighbours and business partners off unless you have a very strong hand. The UK doesn't, UK debt levels are as bad as everybody else's, worse in a lot of cases. The markets will come sharking after sterling sooner or later, and the UK is gonna need all the friends it can get.
The Little Englanders wont't be fobbed off with this either, they've got a taste of blood and they'll be back for more sooner rather than later as well.

Time for Nunez to step up and make a name for himself as a swap option.
Snods, Pugh Clayton, Sam as a 4 man mid with Nunez behind Becchio.

[gazurtoids]

Unpleasant as it may be, when the City represents such a large fraction of British GDP, does Cameron have any choice but to defend it?

I'd support a Tobin tax, personally, but I can understand that it would put London at a disadvantage compared to New York and the like, and so why the British government is reluctant to endorse it without a worldwide implementation.

Have I missed something?

McCormack behind Becchio for me. Keogh to come on and perform the same job he did vs Millwall if needed.