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Re: EUROSCEPTICS

Postby jackos » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:09 pm

Mustafaster wrote:I'm sure it's not lost on anyone, mate. The thought of the UK being a semi detached member of the EU a la Norway is not to anybody's liking, but you know the saying, You can take the horse to water but you can't make it think.
The UK has a strong negotiating position, no doubt, but rules is rules, if you want to join the club yer pays yer subs.


The UK needs the EU in a way Countries like Norway or Switzerland are never likely to do :D Them two can do as the' please without giving too much of a fuck, especially Norway, but Switzerland is better outside as a tax haven n all. Norway could pay off half the UK National debt with their Oil Funds, they have no national debt of their own, and a population the size of Scotland ..

I guess invading Norway is the cheapest option, can we do that without a carrier?
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Re: EUROSCEPTICS

Postby WHITETHROUGH » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:37 pm

Mustafaster,
I'm sure it's not lost on anyone, mate. The thought of the UK being a semi detached member of the EU a la Norway is not to anybody's liking, but you know the saying, You can take the horse to water but you can't make it think.
The UK has a strong negotiating position, no doubt, but rules is rules, if you want to join the club yer pays yer subs.

The cracks are starting to appear already. The EU has been slowly eating it's self for years....I think this 'sucker' may go down so there may be no club to join. It is slowly getting to the point where the 'project' needs winding up with a degree of dignity and sanity before they really mess up.

If the Euro doesnt sink it then the individual national self interest will be it's undoing.
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Re: EUROSCEPTICS

Postby Mustafaster » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:00 pm

WHITETHROUGH wrote:Mustafaster,
I'm sure it's not lost on anyone, mate. The thought of the UK being a semi detached member of the EU a la Norway is not to anybody's liking, but you know the saying, You can take the horse to water but you can't make it think.
The UK has a strong negotiating position, no doubt, but rules is rules, if you want to join the club yer pays yer subs.

The cracks are starting to appear already. The EU has been slowly eating it's self for years....I think this 'sucker' may go down so there may be no club to join. It is slowly getting to the point where the 'project' needs winding up with a degree of dignity and sanity before they really mess up.

If the Euro doesnt sink it then the individual national self interest will be it's undoing.

Doesn't look like the from the inside. I know you like to repeat the "We're all doomed!" mantra every chance you get, but the noises coming from inside the <EU are all pretty much on track. We know the party's over, we spent far too much money we didn't have and are gonna have to spend a good few years paying for it. Nobody likes it, but thta's the way it is. The alternative is a break up of the EU, and as far as I can see almost nobody's seriously putting that forward as a sensible alternative other than a few ultra nationalist nutters.
It's a mess, we got ourselves into it and we'll do what it takes to get out of it. If the UK wants to form part of the solution that's great, if not, well so be it.
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Re: EUROSCEPTICS

Postby WHITETHROUGH » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:22 pm

Mustafaster wrote:
WHITETHROUGH wrote:Mustafaster,
I'm sure it's not lost on anyone, mate. The thought of the UK being a semi detached member of the EU a la Norway is not to anybody's liking, but you know the saying, You can take the horse to water but you can't make it think.
The UK has a strong negotiating position, no doubt, but rules is rules, if you want to join the club yer pays yer subs.

The cracks are starting to appear already. The EU has been slowly eating it's self for years....I think this 'sucker' may go down so there may be no club to join. It is slowly getting to the point where the 'project' needs winding up with a degree of dignity and sanity before they really mess up.

If the Euro doesnt sink it then the individual national self interest will be it's undoing.

Doesn't look like the from the inside. I know you like to repeat the "We're all doomed!" mantra every chance you get, but the noises coming from inside the <EU are all pretty much on track. We know the party's over, we spent far too much money we didn't have and are gonna have to spend a good few years paying for it. Nobody likes it, but thta's the way it is. The alternative is a break up of the EU, and as far as I can see almost nobody's seriously putting that forward as a sensible alternative other than a few ultra nationalist nutters.
It's a mess, we got ourselves into it and we'll do what it takes to get out of it. If the UK wants to form part of the solution that's great, if not, well so be it.
So long and thanks for all the fish. :fish:


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Re: EUROSCEPTICS

Postby sida » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:00 am

Why on earth should we allow the tax take from the uk financial sector get diverted out of the country ? Its intended to mask the political stupidity of facilitating billions in loans to PIIGS who couldn't afford it but thought they could hide under the Germans skirt, and who in most cases couldn't, and still can't, even be arsed to make a serious attempt to collect their own taxes.

Sarkozy knows well and good that the farcical levels of debt some of these countries are carrying have knack all to do with a lack of bank regulation and everything to do with a complete lack of realism in the corridors of EU power. The average voter is probably happy to swallow it that the banks are to blame, except the ratings agencies, the IMF, the WorldBank etc ( ie the people that matter )

He also knows that it's more popular at home, especially when you've an election coming up, to grab a fucking huge lump of tax off uk based financial services to cover some of the cracks, than it is to get his own countrymen off the EU tit.

It seems like wishful thinking to me to believe that 26 states will convert their in principal agreement of last week into a binding agreement to actually share the pain and sort it. The piigs have no choice but to vote for it, if they don't their cost of borrowing goes up which is unthinkable for them. You can't paint this as some harmonious acceptance that the axe has to be wielded on these countries spending.
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EUROSCEPTICS

Postby jackos » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:35 am

sida wrote:Why on earth should we allow the tax take from the uk financial sector get diverted out of the country ? Its intended to mask the political stupidity of facilitating billions in loans to PIIGS who couldn't afford it but thought they could hide under the Germans skirt, and who in most cases couldn't, and still can't, even be arsed to make a serious attempt to collect their own taxes.

Sarkozy knows well and good that the farcical levels of debt some of these countries are carrying have knack all to do with a lack of bank regulation and everything to do with a complete lack of realism in the corridors of EU power. The average voter is probably happy to swallow it that the banks are to blame, except the ratings agencies, the IMF, the WorldBank etc ( ie the people that matter )

He also knows that it's more popular at home, especially when you've an election coming up, to grab a fucking huge lump of tax off uk based financial services to cover some of the cracks, than it is to get his own countrymen off the EU tit.

It seems like wishful thinking to me to believe that 26 states will convert their in principal agreement of last week into a binding agreement to actually share the pain and sort it. The piigs have no choice but to vote for it, if they don't their cost of borrowing goes up which is unthinkable for them. You can't paint this as some harmonious acceptance that the axe has to be wielded on these countries spending.


Couse they do, they leave the EURO, devalue, n let the banks get their money bet they can. Worked for Bates didn't it? Why the fuck should the Greek people pay for the mismanagement of the Capitalist/Political elite? I know it's not as simple as that, but blaming the piigs is just an easy way to divert attention. Don't pay taxes? Don't make me laugh, the German system is built on the back of tax exempt 400€ jobs, with tens of thousands of migrants receiving a large percent if their wages cash in hand. Those people have no rights & no pension to look forward to. Germany and France are as much to blame as the other Euro countries, they where after all the first to break ceiling for budget deficits, the smaller countries just followed after.

It's only fair they all foot the bill for the party, individual countries have to decide if they can take the medicine.
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Re: EUROSCEPTICS

Postby SimonB » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:30 am

Blackwhite wrote:
OK, enough. Pax! :mrgreen:


Agreed :mrgreen: I will continue to stick with not thinking thank you! Anyway who is going to be playing in central midfield on Saturday?
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Re: EUROSCEPTICS

Postby SimonB » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:34 am

gazurtoids wrote:Sounds like Angie's willing to have us back. So, maybe Cameron's use of the veto will just lead to him being taken more seriously in future negotiations as man-willing-to-deploy-nuclear-veto? Like the bullied kid at school who finally snaps and throws a punch, to look at it through eurosceptic eyes (I borrowed one each from Si & Burnley. I'll give them back soon, promise.).


Please do :mrgreen:

I think it is possible that we might have a decent negotiating position due to the use of the veto, but we could also have been played by France and Germany to ensure that the media spent more time covering our veto rather than the complete lack of progress on solving the actual issues.

Like the bullied kid analogy, I have never been a fighter but anyone tried bullying me at school got a slap, I might have lost the fight but the bullies moved on to easier targets. :mrgreen:
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Re: EUROSCEPTICS

Postby thechubbyone » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:46 am

SimonB wrote:I have never been a fighter

Here you go mate, I've bought you a drink.
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Re: EUROSCEPTICS

Postby SimonB » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:54 am

thechubbyone wrote:
SimonB wrote:I have never been a fighter

Here you go mate, I've bought you a drink.

Cunt, well I have never been a fighter apart from once trying to strangle B@stard in a r*d b*ll related incident and then running away like a girl and spending the night under a barbie duvet at Pontes place. Would that be more accurate? :mrgreen:
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Re: EUROSCEPTICS

Postby gazurtoids » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:15 am

I heard an entertaining line about the whole thing on The Bugle on my way into work this morning.

"On the plus side, we've really pissed the French off. On the minus side, we've really pissed the Germans off..."
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Re: EUROSCEPTICS

Postby eric olthwaite » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:29 pm

It's true that anytime the French have a leader who's less than 5' 6" they turn into a right pain in the arse.

Curious thing about that link - I'd not picked up that Berlusconi was also a dwarf.
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Re: EUROSCEPTICS

Postby SmithyHK » Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:38 pm

eric olthwaite wrote:Curious thing about that link - I'd not picked up that Berlusconi was also a dwarf.


He's now taller?....must be all that horizontal time spent with wenches
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Re: EUROSCEPTICS

Postby Blackwhite » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:37 pm

eric olthwaite wrote:It's true that anytime the French have a leader who's less than 5' 6" they turn into a right pain in the arse.

Curious thing about that link - I'd not picked up that Berlusconi was also a dwarf.
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Re: EUROSCEPTICS

Postby Rob » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:52 am

Yes, it's the Torygraph's front page, but even so - 25 big ones !?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... he-UK.html
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EUROSCEPTICS

Postby jackos » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:30 am

Rob wrote:Yes, it's the Torygraph's front page, but even so - 25 big ones !?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... he-UK.html


Usual scaremongering bollocks isn't it? It's a loan, the UK isn't being asked to GIVE anyone anything. Sweden is expecting to participate, with a population less than 20% of the UKs they'll loan ~£10 billion to the fund. When Sweden has participated in these things in the past it's proved good business, much better interest than they could ever hope for on the open market.

As the man said The Prime Minister has argued that no country has ever lost money by lending to the IMF.
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Re: EUROSCEPTICS

Postby jackos » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:39 am

N what is this shit about

Yesterday it emerged that the Foreign Office was drawing up contingency plans to evacuate up to a million expats from Spain and Portugal in the event of a European banking crash. The planning was even said to include the nightmare scenario of thousands of penniless Britons sleeping at airports with no money to return to the UK.


Yeah sure :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

I saw a interview with a few Brit pensioners last year, been living like Kings down there, n where completely devastated cause they couldn't afford cocktails with their lunches any more :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: EUROSCEPTICS

Postby Mustafaster » Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:00 am

jackos wrote:N what is this shit about

Yesterday it emerged that the Foreign Office was drawing up contingency plans to evacuate up to a million expats from Spain and Portugal in the event of a European banking crash. The planning was even said to include the nightmare scenario of thousands of penniless Britons sleeping at airports with no money to return to the UK.


Yeah sure :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

I saw a interview with a few Brit pensioners last year, been living like Kings down there, n where completely devastated cause they couldn't afford cocktails with their lunches any more :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

You may laugh, but this is a very worrying situation. I am considering cutting down on Rioja and changing to cheaper Ribera del Duero wines, Rioja at wekends only.
If the Euro tanks I'm told that there will be 20% less sunshine too. :thumbd:
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Re: EUROSCEPTICS

Postby jackos » Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:35 am

Mustafaster wrote:You may laugh, but this is a very worrying situation. I am considering cutting down on Rioja and changing to cheaper Ribera del Duero wines, Rioja at wekends only.
If the Euro tanks I'm told that there will be 20% less sunshine too. :thumbd:
Bad times.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Images of Dunkirk, 1 million suntanned British pensioners crowding the beaches of Santander, squabbling over space in the armada of British rowing boats sent to rescue them :D
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Re: EUROSCEPTICS

Postby WHITETHROUGH » Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:28 am

This article appeared in the FT last night:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/33ab91f0-4913-11e1-88f0-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1kjrmk1Rw

Is it me...am I not quite getting this?

Is the EU trying to take over the running of a Sovereign nation?

There has been no mention of this on the mainstream news as of yet. There is a bit from a German publication:

http://www.deutsche-mittelstands-nachrichten.de/2012/01/37080/

I have miss read this or is there is something very wrong happening here. :?
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