Colin's Quotes

[AndyPaul]

I can't believe Colin will have Snoddy into next season, all credit to Snoddy if he stays but quite frankly he would be daft to, he will get a chance at Premier League surely and it won't be at Leeds.

I suppose Colin ain't daft and the noises he keeps making suggest he knows he may not get the budget or backing he wants and will walk away if that is the case.

[Phil LUFC]

Does this imply Colin has asked for a larger budget than we have this season?

"I’ve told Shaun and the chairman what I think I would need to get promotion next year. They’re quite clear in their minds that they’re going to try and provide that for me. It’s the only chance we’ve got."

I'm one of the hopeful ones that it turns out well this summer... but it's just as likely the shit will still stink the same. Wages offered won't be big enough. Players we don't want won't fuck off to free up money. Colin ends up like Larry did and unable to do what he wants so he leaves come December with us in mid-table, calling Bates a cunt for not spending what he told him he wanted, while Bates says he always told Colin what the limits were and we overspent on them anyway.
Only hope is that everyone seriously believes Colin's team for next season will be a promo winning side and they want to be a part of it - either as players or as the people who helped make it happen.

I'm right there with you, but I think Colin's answer to all that will be to sign 1 or 2 players on decent money rather than follow the larry route and get 5 or 6 in anyway but not the ones you actually wanted. Having watched the QPR documentary, I also think colin has gone in saying "I'd like £x to spend on players + a wage budget of £y to guarantee promotion, but you won't give me that so I think I can do it with £a + £b, surely you can get me that.

[Ponte]

but it's just as likely the shit will still stink the same. Wages offered won't be big enough. Players we don't want won't fuck off to free up money. Colin ends up like Larry did and unable to do what he wants so he leaves come December with us in mid-table, calling Bates a cunt for not spending what he told him he wanted, while Bates says he always told Colin what the limits were and we overspent on them anyway.

This will happen.

[Quiffy]

lifted from here

You can always experience something new in football, even after a lifetime in the game, and this week I conceded seven goals for the first time. At least, I think it's the first time, I've been racking my brains to think of another occasion, but if it happened I've blocked it out. No doubt someone out there will enlighten me if I'm wrong.

Conceding that many goals at home is as big a test of a manager's relationship with fans as can be, but if I had any doubts about how Leeds supporters would react to having a Sheffield lad as manager they were answered this week. On Thursday I had to sing for my supper at a dinner and Q&A at the club with more than 300 supporters. Not the ideal event after such a defeat.

The fans were marvellous. The job is so much easier if the fans are behind you and I came away with a fresh realisation of how desperate they are for success, and how they trust me to deliver it. I said to them a few times, 'you do know we lost 7-3 the other night?' One guy stood up and said he was a QPR season-ticket holder, last year had been the best of his life as a fan, and his club's loss was Leeds' gain. By the time I left I was much happier than 48 hours earlier.

It was a strange game. It can't be often a team loses seven goals and you're left thinking, 'we could have won that'. When we got back to 3-3 I thought we would go on and win but some of our defending took me back to Sunday League. The frustration is that, because of the other results, even now the gap doesn't look insurmountable, but I don't think any top team gets beaten seven – apart from Arsenal of course. It is fantastic the way they have recovered from losing 8-2 at Old Trafford.

We're still aiming for the play-offs, but I'm also looking to next season – though as I said to Ronnie Jepson, my coach, when the seventh goal went in: "I wonder what odds you can get on us now for promotion next season?"

In a way Tuesday was useful; painful, but useful. I'm still assessing players with next year's squad in mind and you learn more about them in a match like that, you find out who is resilient. You do need to be a certain character to play at a club like Leeds, who get big crowds. You need to be strong, to want the ball in adversity. How we react today at Millwall will answer a lot more questions about my players. It'll be a good test, mentally and physically, at a difficult venue.

You might think I went into the dressing room and gave them all a bollocking, but it wasn't a night for that. It was one game too many after the weekend's West Ham game. They put a lot of work into that game while Forest had a blank weekend. They were so much fresher than us. However, while the Championship is a tough league I do believe it is possible to play with intensity all season if you look after yourselves so I did say to them: "Obviously some of you couldn't run, you have to look at yourself fitness wise, have you done enough?"

What you want to do after a match like that is sneak off to a darkened room, unfortunately I had to face the press, some of whom probably quite enjoyed the idea of me losing seven. There was some levity. At half-time, when we were losing 2-1, I went into an office with Mick Jones and Ronnie to gather my thoughts before talking to the players and we saw on TV that Notts County, now managed by my former coach Keith Curle, were 4-0 down. We looked at each other and thought: "That makes us feel better." At the final whistle I got a text from Curly, who'd lost 5-2 in the end: "Just seen your score gaffer, makes me feel a lot better."

I spoke to the chairman, Ken Bates, the next day. It may surprise you to hear he was in a jovial mood. The good thing about having a chairman with so much experience is he's been round long enough to know you don't get too carried way when things go great, likewise you don't get downhearted when things go against you.

To cap a nightmare 24 hours I then had to drive to London to see the dentist to have two implants and about 20 stitches put in. That was bad enough but on the way I was stuck in a traffic jam on the M1 and didn't move for an hour.

it's a decent enough read in itself, but the bit that interests me is the bit i've underlined. it suggests that he's going to go for 'experience' in the summer, but do you really need to be 'experienced' to play well as a leeds player? me, i think that idea is bollocks. our best players in recent years have been gradel, beckford, howson, snodgrass, clayton, lees....

whereas some of the shiter players we've had who have been experienced have been jermaine wright, butler, cresswell, gregan, flo, AOB, bruce, collins

obviously i'm being selective and you could point to shaun derry, but if there was any correlation i reckon it'd be that less experienced players have been more successful, they're also cheaper. is it because they know they have to adapt to their new clubs? i don't have the answers, but i can just see us heading down the ex-prem player route again and finding it's another fucking cul-de-sac.

[MightyWhite]

Thanks for posting that Quiffy, good read. I see the fitness thing has reared it's head again. Seems to be a common theme, which doesn't quite tally up with out abilities to rally late on in games.

To answer your point, I don't think it's a case of needing a young team or needing an experienced team. We just need a good team, which will no doubt feature a balance of young and old. Bit like how our team is now - just better, like.

[And that was really moving]

lifted from here

You can always experience something new in football, even after a lifetime in the game, and this week I conceded seven goals for the first time. At least, I think it's the first time, I've been racking my brains to think of another occasion, but if it happened I've blocked it out. No doubt someone out there will enlighten me if I'm wrong.

Conceding that many goals at home is as big a test of a manager's relationship with fans as can be, but if I had any doubts about how Leeds supporters would react to having a Sheffield lad as manager they were answered this week. On Thursday I had to sing for my supper at a dinner and Q&A at the club with more than 300 supporters. Not the ideal event after such a defeat.

The fans were marvellous. The job is so much easier if the fans are behind you and I came away with a fresh realisation of how desperate they are for success, and how they trust me to deliver it. I said to them a few times, 'you do know we lost 7-3 the other night?' One guy stood up and said he was a QPR season-ticket holder, last year had been the best of his life as a fan, and his club's loss was Leeds' gain. By the time I left I was much happier than 48 hours earlier.

It was a strange game. It can't be often a team loses seven goals and you're left thinking, 'we could have won that'. When we got back to 3-3 I thought we would go on and win but some of our defending took me back to Sunday League. The frustration is that, because of the other results, even now the gap doesn't look insurmountable, but I don't think any top team gets beaten seven – apart from Arsenal of course. It is fantastic the way they have recovered from losing 8-2 at Old Trafford.

We're still aiming for the play-offs, but I'm also looking to next season – though as I said to Ronnie Jepson, my coach, when the seventh goal went in: "I wonder what odds you can get on us now for promotion next season?"

In a way Tuesday was useful; painful, but useful. I'm still assessing players with next year's squad in mind and you learn more about them in a match like that, you find out who is resilient. You do need to be a certain character to play at a club like Leeds, who get big crowds. You need to be strong, to want the ball in adversity. How we react today at Millwall will answer a lot more questions about my players. It'll be a good test, mentally and physically, at a difficult venue.

You might think I went into the dressing room and gave them all a bollocking, but it wasn't a night for that. It was one game too many after the weekend's West Ham game. They put a lot of work into that game while Forest had a blank weekend. They were so much fresher than us. However, while the Championship is a tough league I do believe it is possible to play with intensity all season if you look after yourselves so I did say to them: "Obviously some of you couldn't run, you have to look at yourself fitness wise, have you done enough?"

What you want to do after a match like that is sneak off to a darkened room, unfortunately I had to face the press, some of whom probably quite enjoyed the idea of me losing seven. There was some levity. At half-time, when we were losing 2-1, I went into an office with Mick Jones and Ronnie to gather my thoughts before talking to the players and we saw on TV that Notts County, now managed by my former coach Keith Curle, were 4-0 down. We looked at each other and thought: "That makes us feel better." At the final whistle I got a text from Curly, who'd lost 5-2 in the end: "Just seen your score gaffer, makes me feel a lot better."

I spoke to the chairman, Ken Bates, the next day. It may surprise you to hear he was in a jovial mood. The good thing about having a chairman with so much experience is he's been round long enough to know you don't get too carried way when things go great, likewise you don't get downhearted when things go against you.

To cap a nightmare 24 hours I then had to drive to London to see the dentist to have two implants and about 20 stitches put in. That was bad enough but on the way I was stuck in a traffic jam on the M1 and didn't move for an hour.

it's a decent enough read in itself, but the bit that interests me is the bit i've underlined. it suggests that he's going to go for 'experience' in the summer, but do you really need to be 'experienced' to play well as a leeds player? me, i think that idea is bollocks. our best players in recent years have been gradel, beckford, howson, snodgrass, clayton, lees....

whereas some of the shiter players we've had who have been experienced have been jermaine wright, butler, cresswell, gregan, flo, AOB, bruce, collins

obviously i'm being selective and you could point to shaun derry, but if there was any correlation i reckon it'd be that less experienced players have been more successful, they're also cheaper. is it because they know they have to adapt to their new clubs? i don't have the answers, but i can just see us heading down the ex-prem player route again and finding it's another fucking cul-de-sac.

i would hope it is a case of having a decent manager to get the most average players brought in and the quality that will be left after the annual summer rape and pillage raids. We had Grayson to get us out of league one, and Warnock to do the championship, other than that we have had some very inexperienced managers for the job that was expected of them. Wise, Gary Mac, Blackwell, and Grayson (aiming for promotion from championship at first go, was never expected at Blackpool) all pretty much doing the job blind. Warnock is the best man available to us at this time, and I trust him to get players in and manage them correctly to get us playing.

[gazurtoids]

Thanks for posting that Quiffy, good read. I see the fitness thing has reared it's head again. Seems to be a common theme, which doesn't quite tally up with out abilities to rally late on in games.

To answer your point, I don't think it's a case of needing a young team or needing an experienced team. We just need a good team, which will no doubt feature a balance of young and old. Bit like how our team is now - just better, like.

Nah, I think it does to an extent. The team is reasonably fit but not fit enough to play in Warnock's frantic style three times in nine days. Warnock thinks the players should be even fitter, I think he should've employed a more sensible approach.

[Quiffy]

Thanks for posting that Quiffy, good read. I see the fitness thing has reared it's head again. Seems to be a common theme, which doesn't quite tally up with out abilities to rally late on in games.

To answer your point, I don't think it's a case of needing a young team or needing an experienced team. We just need a good team, which will no doubt feature a balance of young and old. Bit like how our team is now - just better, like.

i was tempted to scrap what i wrote because of that argument - that we just need good players, but can colin spot a good player?

and why are some players good for other teams but then crap for leeds?

i just reckon he'll be going for 'experienced' players because younger talent takes a bit of time to come to fruition [snoddy, beckford, howson and gradel's leeds careers all started a bit hit and miss] and he seems fixed on getting us promoted next year and not looking more long term than that. maybe i'm nit picking but i don't like that strategy.

[MightyWhite]

Thanks for posting that Quiffy, good read. I see the fitness thing has reared it's head again. Seems to be a common theme, which doesn't quite tally up with out abilities to rally late on in games.

To answer your point, I don't think it's a case of needing a young team or needing an experienced team. We just need a good team, which will no doubt feature a balance of young and old. Bit like how our team is now - just better, like.

Nah, I think it does to an extent. The team is reasonably fit but not fit enough to play in Warnock's frantic style three times in nine days. Warnock thinks the players should be even fitter, I think he should've employed a more sensible approach.

I concur, but the fitness thing pre-dates Warnock. Pretty sure there had been questions about the team's fitness all the way through Grayson's reign? I have no extracts or quotations to back this up, I just recall reading about it once or twice.

i just reckon he'll be going for 'experienced' players because younger talent takes a bit of time to come to fruition [snoddy, beckford, howson and gradel's leeds careers all started a bit hit and miss]

Aye, not to mention the fact that good young players tend to have a hefty premium. Something that knacks us straight away.

[Mustafaster]

Thanks for posting that Quiffy, good read. I see the fitness thing has reared it's head again. Seems to be a common theme, which doesn't quite tally up with out abilities to rally late on in games.

To answer your point, I don't think it's a case of needing a young team or needing an experienced team. We just need a good team, which will no doubt feature a balance of young and old. Bit like how our team is now - just better, like.

Nah, I think it does to an extent. The team is reasonably fit but not fit enough to play in Warnock's frantic style three times in nine days. Warnock thinks the players should be even fitter, I think he should've employed a more sensible approach.

I concur, but the fitness thing pre-dates Warnock. Pretty sure there had been questions about the team's fitness all the way through Grayson's reign? I have no extracts or quotations to back this up, I just recall reading about it once or twice.

i just reckon he'll be going for 'experienced' players because younger talent takes a bit of time to come to fruition [snoddy, beckford, howson and gradel's leeds careers all started a bit hit and miss]

Aye, not to mention the fact that good young players tend to have a hefty premium. Something that knacks us straight away.

Grayon's teams must have won more points in the last 5 minutes of games than any other Leeds manager, the fitness shite is total bolllox.

[Oheddieeddie]

Musta wrote. ......

Grayon's teams must have won more points in the last 5 minutes of games than any other Leeds manager, the fitness shite is total bolllox

And he's right, its absolute bollocks perpetuated by every single manager that takes over a club. I remember Dennis Wise saying this for sure, and I think I remember Grayson saying it too.

We have only gained the points we have this year due to last 5 minute goals. You could argue that's down to our lazy entitled players not playing flat out through the first 85 minutes of games, but I prefer to believe its more to do with superior fitness.

It only seems like 2 minutes ago since Bates was boasting that we would have the fitest squad in the championship after flogging them up and down middleton hill till they puked i pre season.

[moscowhite]

In the midst of Flamingogate this week, I saw someone suggest that this video of Colin meeting a rhino was a touch Partridgesque: "It just makes you appreciate nature, doesn't it... fantastic animals... you've just got to have respect for, y'know, for what they are... I don't think anyone realises what they're like til you meet them in the real flesh... so strong... we're looking for a few rhinos for next season..."

That came to mind again when I was reading Warnock's column in the Independent today:

Our family stayed Monday night in a log cabin on site [at Flamingo Land] and you could easily live in somewhere like that. You have to ask why there aren't more of those instead of houses.

They must be some fucking natty cabins up there nowadays, like... meanwhile, it gets less interesting:

We were supposed to go on Wednesday, but brought the day forward because the Reading game was switched from today for TV. I'm glad it was. Tuesday night I've never known wind and rain like it. There was snow in a lot of places and while we just had water we had lots of it.

Aye. Missed the bad weather. Lucky, we were. Load of rain on Tuesday night. No snow though, we were lucky with snow. But the rain. But as I say we missed it cos we went Tuesday. Had we gone Wednesday mind duck. Never known weather like Wednesday. Not Tuesday though. Tuesday were alright. How many words do they want, again? Right. Well there wasn't any snow, but rain? Don't talk to me about rain.

[Mustafaster]

Here's a belter, on a Talksport interview Mr Wanker said he "doesn't expect any more wins this season".
Aye.

[SimonB]

Here's a belter, on a Talksport interview Mr Wanker said he "doesn't expect any more wins this season".
Aye.

He will then end up with the worst record as a Leeds manager since Brian Clough, excellent stuff.

[SimonB]

And now that I look at it we have -

Warnocks success rate in points achieved = 30% (ten games)
Graysons last ten games that got him sacked = 46.67% (ten games)
Graysons record at Huddersfield so far = 52.78% (twelve games)
Overall Grayson record at Leeds = 57.59% (169 games)

Good move by Bates I feel.....

[jackos]

Here's a belter, on a Talksport interview Mr Wanker said he "doesn't expect any more wins this season".
Aye.

Is that true? Surely not? Why on earth would he come out with shit like that? Fuck people will be flying in from all over the place for the leicester game.

[Fax Man]

He didn't quite say that although he finishes by saying we won't get another home win after saying we'll struggle at Blackpool and Cardiff so near enough...

http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/matchd ... ear-169262

Worse thing about it is he sounds like he couldn't give a fuck if we're losing either. The bloke's whole management career is based on teams with pride and passion etc but he gives off the impression that us being utter dogshit is a bit of a laugh.

[Blackwhite]

I've suddenly realised that, based on the plots of all the Hollywood shite I've ever seen, you should never employ The Maverick Outsider Who Is Days From Retirement. They either get killed at the start of the third reel, or they're utter shit and counting the seconds until their unconvincing leaving do.


Not sure which Colin is yet.

[moscowhite]

Why I Nearly Walked Out On Whites

NEIL WARNOCK has revealed for the first time how he nearly walked out on Leeds United this summer – but says the club’s fantastic supporters have persuaded him to stay.

The United boss, 63, is pouring all his energies into taking the club back to the Premiership’s promised land after a nine-year absence – but admits he harboured doubts about whether to remain after the collapse of the £400,000 deal to bring Joel Ward to the club at the end of May.

The failure to land Ward, who joined Crystal Palace, crowned a hugely frustrating early pre-season for Warnock, who failed to make headway for over six weeks following the capture of Jason Pearce.

But memories of the United faithful’s outstanding backing since he took over in February – particularly during the club record 7-3 home loss to Nottingham Forest in March – and the persuasive tongue of son James ensured he didn’t walk away.

And now the Yorkshireman is aiming to reward both, while achieving a record eighth promotion of his distinguished managerial career in the process.

Warnock, who has labelled the United job as his biggest task ever in management, said: “I was disappointed to lose Ward to Palace earlier on in the summer; in fact at that stage I’m not sure I was going to be here.

“There were temptations and I think it might have been easier to take an offer elsewhere than stay here. My son James lives here and he’s the one that over this summer – when it would have been easier to leave – who has pleaded with me to give it a go. Because he knows how desperate I am to get another promotion.”

He added: “I’ll never forget the fans’ support here last season. The one thing about the fans since I’ve been here is that they have been magnificent.

“I’ll never forget the Forest game at home in the last ten minutes of that game when I was talking to Ronnie Jepson and saying: ‘Let’s put something on this pitch next season for this lot to get excited about.’ And that’s what I’m trying to do.”

[dirty leeds]

I've suddenly realised that, based on the plots of all the Hollywood shite I've ever seen, you should never employ The Maverick Outsider Who Is Days From Retirement. They either get killed at the start of the third reel, or they're utter shit and counting the seconds until their unconvincing leaving do.


Not sure which Colin is yet.

Rocky?