Trialists, Transfers & Speculation

[Shorn Derry]

Seems Sean Harvey isn't very competent/keen to do his job quickly in order to get players signed up! Colin met with White yesterday now needs to put pressure on Harvey to actually meet the demands and get things sorted by the end of next week, one way or another - I suspect if left to his own devices, Sean would sent White his written offer in about 3 weeks time and it'd be for half what was verbally agreed/demand an answer by the previous week.

hey.

SH used to be a postie, doncha know.

he always delivers.

Ha. I would wager that he was one of those posties who filched fivers out of birthday cards addressed to kids.

Fivers????? Just how rich are the people who send your kids presents??????

[AndyPaul]

So who do we reckon is already signed up for announcement 1st May? Derry? Kenny? Colin can't be making a fuss about f'in Robinson surely?

All I know for definite is we will be very, very disappointed

[Dale White]

The latest from Ken jong cunt face, " Vayrayn was a waste of money" no shit you fucking cunt.

[Dale White]

The latest from Ken jong cunt face, " Vayrynen was a waste of money" no shit you fucking cunt.

[Ponte]

The latest from Ken jong cunt face, " Vayrayn was a waste of money" no shit you fucking cunt.

Well maybe if we had bought a midfielder near the start of the summer we wouldn't have been scratting around for free transfer gambles.

[jackos]

The latest from Ken jong cunt face, " Vayrayn was a waste of money" no shit you fucking cunt.

Well maybe if we had bought a midfielder near the start of the summer we wouldn't have been scratting around for free transfer gambles.

Still, if he wasn't upset after spending half a million quid of our meagre budget on a bloke that's played two games there'd be something wrong wouldn't there? Fuck knows how WIlliam's avoids any the blame for decisions like this.

[Phil LUFC]

The latest from Ken jong cunt face, " Vayrayn was a waste of money" no shit you fucking cunt.

Well maybe if we had bought a midfielder near the start of the summer we wouldn't have been scratting around for free transfer gambles.

Still, if he wasn't upset after spending half a million quid of our meagre budget on a bloke that's played two games there'd be something wrong wouldn't there? Fuck knows how WIlliam's avoids any the blame for decisions like this.

By claiming he would have been superb if only the manager had given him a run of games?

More seriously, he obviously has to be judged by his overall record rather than certain individuals - somehow needing to quantify cost against value of the players - not necessarily resale value. E.g, Williams found Becchio, he cost us a few £100k, we could probably sell him for £3m, the value there is not £2.9m because we've had 4 seasons out of him and he's clearly contributed a lot, you could argue Williams is around £5m in credit with that deal even if he was sold for nowt now.

How many successes does Williams need to claim were down to him to keep him in overall profit? Probably not that many really, 1 in 5 if that one becomes one of our better players quickly? 1 in 3 when we're talking about players like Clayton, who took a year to get started?

[BC]

Still, if he wasn't upset after spending half a million quid of our meagre budget on a bloke that's played two games there'd be something wrong wouldn't there? Fuck knows how WIlliam's avoids any the blame for decisions like this.

By claiming he would have been superb if only the manager had given him a run of games?

More seriously, he obviously has to be judged by his overall record rather than certain individuals - somehow needing to quantify cost against value of the players - not necessarily resale value. E.g, Williams found Becchio, he cost us a few £100k, we could probably sell him for £3m, the value there is not £2.9m because we've had 4 seasons out of him and he's clearly contributed a lot, you could argue Williams is around £5m in credit with that deal even if he was sold for nowt now.

How many successes does Williams need to claim were down to him to keep him in overall profit? Probably not that many really, 1 in 5 if that one becomes one of our better players quickly? 1 in 3 when we're talking about players like Clayton, who took a year to get started?

Aye, I've thought a bit about this and while it's impossible to tell many of our more successful signings appear to Williams' (Becchio, Gradel, Beckford, Somma if not knacked, Snodgrass? more?) while the shitter ones tended to look like managerial decisions (forced by budget though). While its impossible to tell whose ultimately responsible for signings, and Williams has a fair few misses too, I'd say Grayson's transfer record is the most legitimate stick to bash him with.

[Phil LUFC]

Aye, I've thought a bit about this and while it's impossible to tell many of our more successful signings appear to Williams' (Becchio, Gradel, Beckford, Somma if not knacked, Snodgrass? more?) while the shitter ones tended to look like managerial decisions (forced by budget though). While its impossible to tell whose ultimately responsible for signings, and Williams has a fair few misses too, I'd say Grayson's transfer record is the most legitimate stick to bash him with.

I've also thought about it too, it seems to me that Williams is responsible for the more exotic signings, Becchio, Grella, Nunez, TRR(tm), Forssell, Vayrynen... while I'd say the likes of Paynter, Sam, Brown are down to the manager (players who'll have been on the domestic out of work list circulated every year). I'm not sure on the young loanee front, I assume Williams probably gets the credit on the likes of Lichaj, Bannan, Livermore etc - at least in terms of lining up available players for a position the manager identifies.

Its obviously not that clear cut and the manager is going to have a big say on the foreign lads who come in on trial initially, then of course Williams has to carry the blame for every trialist the manager dismisses as not worth a deal.

[MightyWhite]

And Da Costa, Phil. Don't forget Filipe Da Costa

[Mr Reality]

the whole director of football role is an interesting one i personally think it can be succesful but there needs to be complete trust and understnading betwwen manager DOF and chairman

with each person knowing there role i dont get the impression it works like that at leeds

[London_White]

the whole director of football role is an interesting one i personally think it can be succesful but there needs to be complete trust and understnading betwwen manager DOF and chairman

with each person knowing there role i dont get the impression it works like that at leeds

I think each person knows that their role is exactly what Ken tells them it is - probably on a day to day basis - that's how they've kept their jobs
kick against the traces and you'll soon be shipped out as Colin will doubtless find out shortly

[welshwhite]

the Williams/bates partnership goes a long way back to their Chelsea days so whatever manager that comes into Leeds knows what he is getting himself into,

Williams must be justifying his wages or bates would have got shot of the fucker long ago.

[the flying pig]

yeah, i think it was duncan castles a while back tweeted, regarding GW's role, "Standard process was Grayson asked for an individual, Williams had right of veto, Harvey negotiated contract & signed off deal.".

whilst this may have been "standard process", it seems highly likely that, for at least a few players [examples previously discussed], williams also came up the initial suggestions.

in other words GW may have been the person to initially suggest MV, & even if he wasn't, if the castles intelligence is true his job was to carry out some form due diligence, helped no doubt by his chum forssell.

[AndyPaul]

Williams must be justifying his wages or bates would have got shot of the fucker long ago.

[the flying pig]

...Williams must be justifying his wages or bates would have got shot of the fucker long ago.

he helped 'find' a fair number of players for bates at chelsea.

a small part of bates' addled mind probably thinks that he's still there & that john terry is about to break into the first XI. a constant reminder of the value of a really good scout.

[Mr Reality]

will be interesting to see if the dynamic changes this summer

i was on the phone in after blackpool, expalining to eddie that we need immediate investment and cant be messing around on transfer dealine day

[Oheddieeddie]

will be interesting to see if the dynamic changes this summer

i was on the phone in after blackpool, expalining to eddie that we need immediate investment and cant be messing around on transfer dealine day

Aye well done for explaining that to Eddie, I bet that thought had never occurred to him.

[And that was really moving]

will be interesting to see if the dynamic changes this summer

i was on the phone in after blackpool, expalining to eddie that we need immediate investment and cant be messing around on transfer dealine day

Aye well done for explaining that to Eddie, I bet that thought had never occurred to him.

...to be fair to Mr Reality, if he is the caller I'am thinking of (up first or second?) he did very well to start slowly and word carefully to bypass them cutting him off and to have a reasoned debate with on YR about the bates shortcomings for a change.

[Mr Reality]

will be interesting to see if the dynamic changes this summer

i was on the phone in after blackpool, expalining to eddie that we need immediate investment and cant be messing around on transfer dealine day

Aye well done for explaining that to Eddie, I bet that thought had never occurred to him.

...to be fair to Mr Reality, if he is the caller I'am thinking of (up first or second?) he did very well to start slowly and word carefully to bypass them cutting him off and to have a reasoned debate with on YR about the bates shortcomings for a change.

Cheers

I was a bit nervous but that dormstem called in he annoyed me so wanted to get my point across tried to stay calm